167 - Reclaiming Health and Hope with Dr. Teitelbaum

We explore the complexities of long COVID and the energy crisis it creates in the body, with Dr Jacob Teitelbaum sharing insights from his own struggles and professional experience. Listeners will find practical advice on mindset, nutrition, and treatment options essential for recovery.

• Discussion on the energy crisis and its impact on health 
• Overview of the SHINE protocol for treating long COVID 
• The link between long COVID and ME/CFS 
• Variability of symptoms in individuals with long COVID 
• Importance of mindset in the recovery process 
• Practical advice on supplements, nutrition, and lifestyle changes 
• Strategies for pain management and hormonal balance 
• Encouragement for individuals feeling isolated and frustrated 
• Final thoughts on reclaiming your health and setting boundaries

Links:

Our previous episode:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1835170/episodes/11358909 

https://www.energyanalysisprogram.com/

Learn more at www.Vitality101.com

Dr T website for supplements: www.EndFatigue.com 

In Europe: www.iherb.com

Email FatigueDoc@gmail.com for info sheets mentioned.

Europe and Canada, the Recovery Factors is available from www.recoveryfactors.com

For more information about Long Covid Breathing courses & workshops, please check out LongCovidBreathing.com

(music credit - Brock Hewitt, Rule of Life)

Chapters

• 0:00 Understanding Long Covid and Recovery
• 15:01 Healing From Long Covid
• 26:27 Understanding Pain Management in Long COVID
• 40:04 Navigating Recovery and Setting Boundaries
• 46:36 Empowerment and Healing From Long Covid

Transcript

Jackie Baxter: 0:55

Hello and welcome to this episode of the Long Covid Podcast. I am delighted to be joined again by Dr Jacob Teitelbaum and we spoke. I could not believe it when I checked earlier but it was about two and a half years ago that we spoke, which feels like quite a long time. So in the first episode we did, we sort of took a deep dive into the Shine Protocol and a load of other stuff. So I'll link that in the show notes because I highly recommend checking it out. It was a really good one. We're not going to go so in detail into that today, although I think we're going to reference it. So a very warm welcome back to the show, dr Teitelbaum. It's really fun to have you back.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 1:38

Exactly. It's great to be with everybody today and to everybody, aloha from the big island of Hawaii. I'm sure I'm blessed to live and you know, I know what you've gone through. Back in 1975, I had horrible post-viral chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia. It knocked me out of medical school and left me homeless, sleeping in parks. It knocked me out of medical school and left me homeless, sleeping in parks, and that was the context in which I learned how to treat these conditions. I spent the last 50 years researching these specific things. So long, covid is just part of a much bigger process. Today, what I hope to do is to give you an understanding of what's going on in your body and then how to make a way to get your life back.

Jackie Baxter: 2:25

Yeah, I think that's what we want to know, isn't it? And I think you know so many people I mean yourself, me as well, and so many others have kind of found their way through out of necessity and then go on to help others because you know it's like, well, you know what it's like to be there and I just want to share you know some of that stuff, so I think that's a beautiful thing. You've kind of just introduced yourself a little bit. Do you want to say a little bit more about what you do before we kind of dive into this a little bit more?

Jacob Teitelbaum: 3:03

My background is internal medicine. As a MD physician I developed a lot of the things used in pain management. In fact I was on the staff training many of the pain physicians when that first came out. I published eight studies on effective treatment for chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, including post-viral forms, three medical textbook chapters on these conditions, 12 books on health. For those of you with a condition, I recommend my book you Can Heal from Long COVID. For those who want more of a textbook, a more detailed approach, the blue cover edition of From Fatigued to Fantastic but I would start just with the brain fog. You can heal from long COVID is a good way to begin, Basically my goal.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 4:01

In medicine we basically hear, as physicians, what the drug companies feed us, which means if there is not an expensive pharmaceutical. Most professors on the podium at the conferences, if you take a look, are virtually all paid for by the pharmaceutical industry pushing whatever the newest, most expensive thing is. This protocol doesn't have any expensive stuff like that, so there's nobody getting this information to physicians. Everybody's well-meaning, they're all doing the best they can, but this is just the reality of what we're dealing with. So it's up to us to get the information out and that's what I'm here for today. I've got better. I know you can get better, and for me it's the most fun thing in the world to be teaching and getting this information.

Jackie Baxter: 4:52

Totally agree. So I'll put links to all of those books into the show notes as well, for anyone who's making notes and thinking what did he say? So that will all be in the show notes underneath. So long, covid, me-cfs, we put fibromyalgia into this sort of bucket of illnesses as well. Post-viral conditions you mentioned pain medicine as well, that you were involved in. Are these all the same thing?

Jacob Teitelbaum: 5:24

Pretty much they're all spinoffs from the same underlying fire and condition. Basically, these all trigger a severe energy crisis, or anything that triggers a severe energy crisis will trip a circuit breaker in the brain called the hypothalamus that controls sleep hormones and autonomic functions blood pressure, pulse, gut, those kind of things. So when the energy levels go down if they go down far enough, whether it's because of severe stress and even a number of things you flip that switch and you've got this condition. I don't care what you call it.

Jackie Baxter: 6:01

In post-viral.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 6:03

What's happening is that the virus doesn't have machinery to make its own energy to reproduce. It hijacks our body's own mitochondrial energy systems. Our bodies have learned, in the face of the virus, shut down energy production to starve the virus, which works short term. But if there's little pieces of the virus left and the body can't turn that off, energy production doesn't go back on and the body gets stuck. It's like you have a circuit breaker at your home, but you turn the circuit breaker off, you forget that there is a circuit breaker. And bam, there you are. So we'll teach you today. And then we get all the downstream effects. The circuit breaker goes off, you get POTS, you get fatigue, you get insomnia. That's all in a circuit breaker.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 6:50

Then, to try to recover, that hypothalamic circuit breaker makes a lot of histamine. You can see mass cell activation syndrome with sensitivities. The muscles get shortened, you have pain. This triggers nerve pain and central sensitization. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is the whole cascade. But the initial stone that popped into the pond to make all these ripples is the energy crisis, in this case from the virus. So it's not that hard. I mean, it's not a simple take this one pill and be better, but it's also not that hard, once you understand what's going on, to treat the underlying energy crisis and recover. But we also treat you have loss of sense of smell, you have pain.

Jackie Baxter: 7:37

We can go through all of these today because we have the time, because we're just glanced over the shine protocol, so we could talk about pain, cognitive function, these kind of things as well sure, and you know, you said there that you know in this instance the virus was the trigger and when we're talking specifically along covid, you know, we know that it was the covid virus, whereas in mecfs that came beforehand. My understanding is that it could be sort of any number of different viruses and there are some very common ones, like glandular fever, I think, and, um, epstein-barr are the sort of, I think, most obvious ones. But we also hear about people ending up with things like this from concussions and severe trauma and things as well. So this is the same mechanism.

Jackie Baxter: 8:26

It's just in this case it's a virus. In that case it's a concussion.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 8:30

With TBI or traumatic brain injury. What you see is 44% of cases have overt hypothalamic pituitary dysfunction. Overt hypothalamic pituitary dysfunction. So the injury triggers brain inflammation which then affects that same circuit breaker. So you can get to it by any number of ways, but once you trip that circuit breaker you've got the same process.

Jackie Baxter: 8:57

Right, so different trigger, same result.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 9:00

Yes.

Jackie Baxter: 9:02

Yeah, that's's interesting, isn't it? Um, yeah, so this manifests in different ways and different people. You know you could ask one person what their symptoms are with long covid say, and they'll name I don't know 25 different symptoms. And then you can ask someone else and they'll have 20 different symptoms and five of the same. And you mentioned a few a moment ago. You know, taste and smell, I think was quite specific to COVID, whereas cognitive function, brain fog, breathing, high heart rate, pots, all of these other things, I think, are much more common sort of more across the board.

Jackie Baxter: 9:46

So why are we seeing so many different symptoms in different people if it's the same process?

Jacob Teitelbaum: 9:54

What's causing it to?

Jackie Baxter: 9:55

be manifesting differently.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 9:58

Energy affects hundreds of different processes in the body, and sometimes the low energy I may be more susceptible to it affecting my sleep. Somebody else may be more susceptible to it, causing their muscles to shorten, causing pain. So it's the same underlying process with different susceptibilities. Also, there's so many symptoms. So here's the thing I'd like to get across, jackie, first of all, long COVID is a big umbrella. It's not as helpful a term as we'd like to research. It's as if we had a diagnosis of car crash syndrome. Everybody who has an automobile accident has automobile accident syndrome and we didn't distinguish between nosebleeds, skull fractures, hip fractures, spleen ruptures. It was all car crash syndrome, which is not helpful when you're trying to do research. So what I'd like to do is to kind of break down the different things that happen with long COVID. For example, for some of you, all you may have left is the loss of smell and taste, and there's a study showing that, a supplement called PEA, spalmitol ethanolamide. And again in the United States there's a high absorption one called healthy inflammation response. It's PEA, healthy inflammation response, and I would use 1200 milligrams a day Um, and that combined with luteolin, l-u-t-e-o-l-i-n, which I think would be available anywhere, 70 milligrams a day. After about three months people's sense was well recovered. And the taste so you know, each of these things has its own different treatment. For those of you who have pain, later in the show I think what we'll do is maybe do a deeper dive into pain and how to get pain relief. Some of you have heart attacks. Some of us have strokes, you know. So that can be very different than the long COVID. So if you have tired, achy brain, fog, can't sleep, those core symptoms, most people with a post-viral chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia will have at least three of those, and then they may have 30 other things that are just with smoke coming off fire. I don't want to chase all of those, I'd rather put out the fire and where. But if you have specific organ damage, let me just say this, because we we just have about 45 minutes If you have specific organ damage, if you have lung damage, if you have the heart damage, you can email me, and I think my email address is in the notes. It's fatigue F-A-T-I-G-U-E-D-O-C fatiguegmailcom.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 13:33

I have information sheets because I know, otherwise it just comes across as blah, blah, blah Boy. It sounds like he knows a lot, but I didn't catch any of that. This know, this is all written out in the information sheet. So you can ask for the COVID organ damage, anything like that, and I'll send you that sheet. Because for the heart there's four simple nutrients that will dramatically improve the efficiency and get it working better again. For shortness of breath, ask for the shortness of breath information sheet Because there are numerous causes of shortness of breath, most of them not dangerous, and the sheet will tell you how to tell. Is it's just, you know, your diaphragm is not moving because the vagal nerve and it's not a big deal and your oxygen is fine, or you have heart lung issues. So that's all in the information sheet yeah, cool, um.

Jackie Baxter: 14:20

so yeah, that's really interesting that you know, yeah, different people could have the same condition caused by the same thing, and yet it can look very dramatically different in in two different people. Um, so yeah, I think I think that's a source of I don't know confusion or frustration, and I know for me, when I first I don't know confusion or frustration, and I know for me, when I first got unwell, you know, I felt like overnight I suddenly had 50 things wrong with me and you know it's impossible to work out what's going on, and it's also really scary when that happens as well. So, when you're able to kind of dive down and go, ok, well, there's a lot going on here, but what's kind of the main things that are kind of happening? And can I maybe, rather than play whack-a-mole with all the little things, focus, as you say, on the sort of source of the fire and try to start putting that out a little bit? But yeah, it's hard to work out what that is sometimes, I think, when everything sort of feels like it's going wrong.

Jackie Baxter: 15:26

So I love that you've called your book you Can Heal From Long Covid, I think that's. You know, it's such a great title and it's also true. Um. So you know a tricky one that you know I think some people can get a little bit upset about when you talk about, it is mindset and how important that is to recovery. And you know, it's not that if you think everything's going to be fine, that it is, it's not that simple. You can't think yourself better. But I think mindset is important to recovery, isn't it? Yeah?

Jacob Teitelbaum: 16:03

So virtually every disease I've treated in my 50 years as a physician, yes, and I'd be hard-pressed to come up with cancer. Does mindset matter? Of course it does. Diabetes, heart attacks, stroke all of this matters and this is no different. A key thing is that remember, this is an energy crisis. So if you drain energy because you're running marathons and not eating properly or because you're under chronic stress, your body this is the same thing. And if the stress is perceived or real versus real, the body doesn't know the difference. So if you have somebody coming up to you with a kitchen knife trying to stab you, you're under stress.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 16:44

If you're watching the I even hate to call it news media anymore, because it's just massive fear-mongering that we call the news on both sides it puts the stress on your body and I recommend I mean I'm on the news regularly. I don't know why, but I keep telling everybody turn it off. They still like me and they still keep quoting me and having me on telling everybody to turn it off. They still like me and they still keep quoting me and having me on. Turn it off. It's like Mark Twain, a famous American author, once said that well, if I don't watch the news, I'm uninformed. Well, if I do read the news, I'm misinformed. It's just, it's nonsense. It really is not giving the truth. Turn it off. Keep your attention on the things you enjoy in life. You will end up to be one less energy drain on your body and it does help you heal.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 17:38

Also, the limbic system tends to go off in this disease. That's a system that is tightly bound into the hypothalamic circuit breaker in the brain. People get into this adrenaline overdrive, negative thinking pattern that becomes almost self-replicative. And there are many techniques. There's a Gupta protocol in the UK. There's ANS3 wire out of Australia. There's Annie Hopper's DNRS All of these especially for those of you who don't want pills, can't afford pills, prefer not to use tablets. This will retrain that circuit breaker. So it's not just I'm going to think positive and go la la la. It's not that it's resetting. It's kind of like if your computer stops working and you try to do everything and what do you call tech support? What do they tell you to do? Turn it off, reboot it, turn it back out. All three of these programs I mentioned. They have different languaging they use, but they're really doing the same thing. So you can see whichever one appeals to you more. It reboots that part of the nervous system Works very well.

Jackie Baxter: 18:57

Yeah, I always say to people that it's important what we feed our bodies and that is the food we put into our bodies, the hydration we put into our bodies, the air, the breath we put into our bodies, which is obviously my wheelhouse, but that also is what we consume in terms of news and media, and you know the way that we think as well. It does all impact our body. So it's you know feed yourself the good stuff on every level, I think is important. So, yeah, where are we going next? I've totally lost my train of thought. We went off on a tangent.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 19:36

We talked about the mental component. We talked about it being an energy crisis, the mental component, and that says what can you do to get better? Then we understand this is an energy crisis. We stand circuit breakers with such emotion, a whole cascade of problems such as variable symptoms. We've spoken in a previous show that there's a link to here about my research showing the SHINE protocol results in 91% of people improving, with an average 90% increase in quality of life, which means these are very, very treatable diseases.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 20:11

And just a quick summary sleep. I know you have trouble sleeping because the sleep center is that circuit breaker that goes offline. So there's simple things melatonin In North America there's an EP120 sustained release melatonin. There's mixes of herbs, chamomile tea Don't get the tea bags which is chamomile does get the buds, so lose tea and it's you know, and soak it it can help. The Benadryl or diphenhydramine are over the counter. One of my favorites is an herbal mix called the revitalizing sleep formula.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 20:47

Let me know just in terms of supplements, for those of you in the EU or the UK. Shipping from the US is prohibitive. There is a vitamin shop called iHerb the letter I-H-E-R-Bcom that carries a lot of things I talk about and I've been told I think they have a warehouse in Europe, so the shipping is local. People find not all the brands, but many of them are there. I don't have any affiliation with them, but it works really nicely. They don't have a 300-pound shipping cost for a package. In the United States. I recommend my website, which is endfatiguecom.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 21:37

But for those of you in the UK, in the United States there's a product we've done two studies on. It's a unique polypeptide and it's very different than eating proteins. It's kind of like you have letters together and oh, I don't need Shakespeare, I can get an alphabet. I have all the letters there. It's like not the same thing. That's how they're put together. But the recovery factors resulted and I'm happy to send the two studies for those who are like dramatic improvements in post-viral chronic fatigue syndrome, but also improved immunity. We looked at the gamma globulin levels for us there's marked improvement. So if you're in the EU, a simple place to begin or in the UK is recovery R-E-C-O-V-E-R-Y factors, f-a-c-e-o-r-s dot com and then it'll direct you. If you're in the UK to push back button In the EU it'll take you to that other so that they can ship it readily.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 22:38

In the United States it's not available. I wish it was, because we've seen people have a totally reverse of disease. It's quite a remarkable place to begin. So get two bottles, follow the directions on the website on the bottle and that's a superb place to start the healing process. But shine. So we talk about sleep hormones. Key hormones are thyroid and adrenal. If you get irritable when hungry, that's adrenal fatigue. That's called hangry Adrenaplex. They do have on the iHerb so it's available in both countries. That's easy. One a day, cheap, we'll smooth that out.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 23:50

Other infections what you will get? The many infections trigger jailbreaks of old infections so that the police are all overwhelmed. It's like if you're breaking out of a jail, break out, everybody In the chaos, they can't get you. So what we see is Epstein-Barr viral reactivation, candida reactivation, sometimes Lyme disease reactivation. You want to go after the different infections. Nutritional support In the US and Canada there's a vitamin powder called the Energy Revitalization Drink Mix which is spectacular. One drink replaces gives all 30 nutrients, key nutrients, an optimal level. In the UK EU iHerb I did check right before the show has a pill called Clinical Essentials. Not as good, but excellent. Good place to begin for the multi and E is to exercise as able, just not to mean the graded exercise insanity that they're pushing on people. It means see if you can do a little bit of walking to prevent deconditioning, or as much as you can comfortably do without the post-exertional belay that you find yourself bedbarring for the next two days. So it's an in-between kind of a thing.

Jackie Baxter: 25:09

Not more is better yeah, and that's that's a tricky one't it? I mean, the exercise was one of the ones that I failed the most spectacularly at, because I was a very active person. So when someone said, do a bit less, I was like, oh okay. So I like climbed two mountains instead of four and you know very, very quickly, ran myself. You know much, much worse and, and you know very, very quickly, ran myself. You know much, much worse and, and you know it didn't go very well.

Jackie Baxter: 25:38

Um, and I think you know a lot, a lot of people have that problem where, you know we we don't quite understand how much we maybe have to reduce, or indeed how hard we're pushing ourselves sometimes. I don't think we understand that until we sort of learn our bodies a lot better, which, certainly for me, was what this process did for me. I understand my body a lot better now. So, yeah, we talked in much more detail about the Shine Protocol in the first episode as well, so I would highly recommend you checking that back out and we go through, I think, each letter in a lot of detail there, but you've got the short version just now as well as a reminder. So thank you for that. So, yeah, long COVID has now been around for well. What is it about? Five years now, I think we're looking at almost, in fact, slightly more. I think for some people and you know, I think to start with everybody was just like oh my goodness, this is new, we don't know which is not true, is it?

Jackie Baxter: 26:47

Because ME-CFS had been around for a lot, a lot longer? But you know we've now been seeing long COVID itself for five years and you know, I think, a lot longer. But you know we've now been seeing long covid itself for five years and you know, I think a lot more connections have been made between mecfs and long covid and post-viral conditions and all of this sort of stuff. Um, so I'd be kind of interested what your experience has been, you know, sort of seeing people. Um, you know you've said that you've seen people make quite dramatic recoveries using your protocol or bits of it. Are you seeing that people are recovering?

Jacob Teitelbaum: 27:23

The problem is not lack of effective treatment, it's lack of effective physician education. And when a recent study out of UCLA or Stanford and out of California in the United States showed that less than 10% of doctors are comfortable making the diagnosis even just making the diagnosis of long COVID, which is if we have symptoms that persist after COVID for more than three months, we have long COVID. It's not complicated, but only 10% of doctors. You have lung COVID it's not complicated, but only 10% of doctors. And there's 38 million cases in the US, same as there is diabetes. It's as if doctors diabetes what's some sugar thing. I'm going to ignore it. In fact, I don't know what's wrong with people. Their life's falling off in diabetic neuropathy, so they must be crazy. It's unfortunate. So the problem is that the doctors are just not trained because there's no expensive medication as soon as there is an expensive medication.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 28:22

They will be trained brilliantly on that medication and they're good doctors, it's just anyway. Blah, blah, blah. So this is something that you can take on your own to heal. We talked about the SHINE protocol. There's so much you can do there.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 28:43

There was a study using HRG 80 red ginseng. I don't know if that was since the last show that we published in 188 people Half of them were post-viral chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia. Nrg. 60% of people improved, with an average 61% increase in energy, about 70% increase in stamina. That I just checked is available on iHerb. So HRG80, red Ginseng get the chewable tablets. All you need is one half to one of the chewables. In the study that was as effective as two to four of the capsules. So you cut the cost 75% that way at the chewables and quite dramatic and you'll know by one bottle what it's doing for you. So simple things make a big difference. But in my practice I would say that 15% of people didn't improve significantly, but in real life it's close to 5% to 10%. You know 90% of people get their lives back. So this is incredibly treatable.

Jackie Baxter: 29:58

Yeah, and I guess that kind of links back to the question we were talking earlier about the mindset. And if we are told again by media or a doctor who doesn't know, or whoever it is, that oh, we don't really know what to do for you, so you're not going to get better, then that is not going to improve your mindset and it's not going to send you looking for other things potentially either.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 30:20

It's called putting a curse on a person.

Jackie Baxter: 30:23

Yeah.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 30:24

Somebody with a white coat or a rattle and smoke coming out of the ear. That will not get better. Anybody who can get you better is a quack. I mean, they're putting curses on people they don't mean to, but that's, that's what that was called in the old days, you know. So yeah, yeah makes a difference yeah, absolutely.

Jackie Baxter: 30:45

Um. So if the doctor says.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 30:47

I'm sorry to interrupt, but just one thing. When the doctor says they can't get you better, they're right. They can't get you better. Find somebody who can in the eu. There's a doctor, paul van mirandong in the netherlands, paul van Meerendank in the Netherlands, who's superb, knowledgeable about all this stuff we're talking about, and he's worth traveling for. So it's Paul van Meerendank in the Netherlands and you can email me at thefatiguedoc at gmailcom. I can send his contact information. He had come to many of my trainings about 30 years ago.

Jackie Baxter: 31:33

I met him back then and he's very, very good. Yeah, absolutely, and I think that's a really good point as well. You know, just because one person says you can't doesn't mean that you can't. You know, and there is evidence as well. You know that plenty of people are recovering. You know. You and I both have, and many, many others have as well. So I think you know it's about sharing that information, isn't it? How are people getting better? What can you do? Even if you're just going to improve a little bit, it's still worth doing, isn't it? Absolutely.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 32:02

Here's the thing Most everybody can improve. There's about 10-15% not. The thing is that some people improve enough to go back to a life they love and others improve well enough to realize that this situation they were in made them sick and their body has enough sense not to go back to what made them sick in the first place and that's okay. Yeah, absolutely.

Jackie Baxter: 32:33

So we mentioned earlier we're going to take a bit of a deeper dive into pain Is now a good time to do that.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 32:42

Mm-hmm. Okay, so post-viral fibromyalgia is a wonderful model for learning pain management because they're, depending on how you look at it, seven to nine main types of pain and all but one of those are included in long COVID. So you have muscle pain. Muscles are like a spring. It takes more energy for muscle to relax than to contract. It's counterintuitive. When you would come home from the fourth mountain, you didn't go. Honey, my muscles are all loose and limp and you give me a back rub. They said they're all tight and knotted. So low energy, muscles get stuck in a short position. You get these tender knots in them and after a couple of hours to months they hurt. So the beginning predominant pain is muscle pain. That chronic muscle pain occurs, what's called brain pain, which is where the brain, any chronic pain, almost without exception. The brain will start to amplify the pain to get your attention. The pain is saying something, needs attention. It's not an outside invader. It's like the oil light on an automobile's dashboard. You put oil in, the pain goes away. The oil light goes out to give everybody what it needs. The pain goes away For the brain pain that triggers nerve pain, small fiber neuropathy, other nerve pain, but for the brain pain I recently came across. You know how you get one study and you go that of brain pain I recently came across. You know how you get one study and you go that's interesting. And I go and I look at the study references and I pull a couple of those and then it's like a breadcrumb trail and I was looking for that, for that PEA, the palmitoyl ethanolide, and there are over 350 studies showing that for virtually all kinds of chronic pain, including fibromyalgia, including disc pain, sciatica pain, depression pain. That surprised me. The PEA and it's a European researcher who's used it for thousands of people. He's a pain specialist. I can send a link to a video he did on one of the studies he recently did on compression. He's using 1,200 milligrams a day, so 600 twice a day for one month and then 2,400 milligrams a day, 1,200 milligrams twice a day for two months and it takes about two, three months to really fully kick in. But it really extinguishes the brain pain. It's dramatically beneficial and we're talking at the level for the study I just talked about for the disc pain and compression pain Pain went down an average of 70% Massive. So if you have chronic pain which we're now five years out, so we're starting to see that be more of an issue and the sensitivities as well.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 35:32

The PEA and in the US I use a brand that's high absorption because that's critical called Healthy Inflammation Response. I didn't see that on iHerb when I looked right before the show, but find other PEAs that are micronized if you're in the UK or EU, because that makes a big difference. I have a few others I've not absorbed to put to three months and it takes care of the microglia activation. Low-dose naltrexone does the same thing, but you need a doctor to prescribe it and you can use both together. For those with mast cell activation syndrome, you're sensitive to everything. It's different every day.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 36:15

The PEA has been shown to help that. That's a missing link. It affects that molecule. It's kind of like the superhero that the hypothalamus makes in response to stress and when it gets exhausted you get the sensitivities and you get the central sensitization, microglial activation, blah, blah, blah. Then you get into trouble and you refill that over two, three months, sometimes a week. One gal, she was housebound and I asked well, well, how are people doing with it? I have a newsletter, what can I sign up for? And she said it didn't take me months. Within a week, I was out of my house. I'm now traveling through Peru, so she's back in the mountains. This is very, very treatable.

Jackie Baxter: 37:07

The other kinds of pain, so let me give quickly back in the mountains.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 37:10

This is very, very treatable. Yeah, the other kinds of pain. So let me give quickly. On pain I start. There's a supplement called Curamin that I think pretty sure will have on iHerb and it's on my website at mctcom C-U-R-A-M-I-N. It's a mix of four things. It's a pain relief miracle. It's really a good way to begin for any kind of pain. The good multivitamin, energy revitalization drink mix or the clinical essential tablets if you're in the EU you can get them from iHerb. It makes a massive difference for pain. So that's what I start with. Then we've talked about the two kinds of pain PEA, nerve pain. Email me I'll send you the chapter from my book Pain 3123, on neuropathy if you're having severe nerve pain, because there's a whole sequence of natural remedies for lipoic acid and acetylcarnitine, but for the medications most doctors don't know what to use. I give a sequence of about over a dozen medications. Here's the order to try them in, here's how to dose them. That's all in that three-chapter. And then there's other kinds of pain Migraines.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 38:22

Let me just touch on migraines because that's very common in this. Vitamin B2, riboflavin 400 milligrams a day for six weeks in repeated studies decreases migraine frequency by 67 to 70%. Magnesium will also decrease. And then there's the food sensitivities. My books the Front Fatigue is Fantastic or the Pain Free One because they both talk about migraines in detail and how to use the Imitrex family medicines blah, blah, blah and how to get them to work when your stomach's already turned off.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 39:00

Let me give a quick thing, because migraines are important. You want to use the Imatrix-type medications before the migraine really gets so severe that you have the pain around your eyes and ears, because when you get that sensitivity around your eyes and ears, that means your stomach has turned off and won't absorb the medicine anymore. You can take a shot of strong coffee with it, because the caffeine may turn on the stomach enough to absorb it, but better to hit it earlier instead of toughing it out and waiting. So those are the main kinds. There are many others. A quick note if you have CRPS or RSD those of you who have it know what it is email me for the information sheet on how to recover from it. That is finally fine. That's the worst pain ever and is now treatable.

Jackie Baxter: 39:50

So okay, that's the quick do it yeah, I had no idea there were so many different types of pain. But actually now, now you mention them all, I'm thinking, oh yeah, yeah, you know, I've actually experienced quite a few of them. I like you, you know, headaches and migraines, you know, can be really debilitating, can't they, when they sort of seemingly come out of nowhere? I mean, they don't come out of nowhere, but they sometimes appear to come out of nowhere, don't they? So, yeah, that was fascinating and you know, I think what is so great is that there is something that you can do about all of this. So it might not be a five minute fix, although actually some of these things sound like you can see improvement quite quickly if you find the right things. But you know, I think you know, I'm a recovering perfectionist.

Jackie Baxter: 40:45

I was never going to be happy with, you know, a little bit of improvement. I was only ever going to be happy with a hundred percent improvement. Yep, recovering perfectionists together here tonight, um. But I think one of the things that I learned was that actually, in order to get completely better, you had to take those little baby steps. So you had to get 2% better and then 4% better and then 6% better, and that was worth celebrating as well. And it was worth doing those little steps because the little steps added up to the bigger steps where you started to see more dramatic improvement. But you don't see the dramatic improvement unless you do the little things in between. So it really is. You know, keep going, isn't it? You know, keep doing those things, because it's all part of the journey process, however you want to call it.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 41:44

Yeah, let me give a different way of looking at it. When you see a house go up or a building, the work crew is working on it for months and months, laying the foundation, looks like nothing is happening and then the whole building springs up. So all these little steps lay the foundation for energy recovery and healing. Daniel, sometimes find that I just did this and bam, I can superhose or whatever happens to be. Don't sustain the little steps where you may only see small improvements, because that's slaying the foundation. Otherwise, when you've had the experience, I did something. I felt a little better for a while and then I crashed again. You have multiple weak links in a chain and you make one chain link stronger and hey, it's pulling, and then I crashed again. It's like you know you have multiple weak links in a chain and you make one chain link stronger and hey, it's pulling, and then the other snaps. So these do the process.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 42:35

And again, for those with pain or who want more detail, my book Front Fatigue fantastic goes through each of the kinds of pain and how to use both natural and prescription therapies. That's all in detail. For those who have pain, that's a good source For neuropathy. I can send you a chapter from my other book. But yeah, one, give your body time to heal. If you're constantly chomping at the bit, I have to get better, I have to get better you're putting a stress on yourself.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 43:05

Sometimes your body is saying you know, you've been working like a maniac for a couple of decades and it's okay to take some rest, to actually enjoy the downtime. And that sounds when I had to drop out of med school and my life was crushed. There's somebody who told me that if I had the energy I would have slugged them. But just having come out the other side of this disease, it turned out to be a real blessing to me, Because not just did it give me that year sleeping on park benches and whatever to actually rest. I may not have eaten, but I did rest and it taught me I had to learn how to recover from the disease. And then I've been able to teach countless people how to recover from the disease.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 43:56

But it taught me to say no to things where people with this disease are often people-pleasers. They don't want to say no because they don't want to lose approval, because they don't want to lose approval and they don't want to create conflict. And that's a good recipe for having your energy drained. You can't say no. So one of the this kind of feels like this disease is such a pain in the arse that we should get some superpower or something out of it at the other end. And we do. We get the ability to set boundaries. We get the ability to say no with no justification except it doesn't feel good to me, I don't want to, no, but I never know. And you learn to set boundaries and that you know. Even that by itself turns the whole process into a gift to get your life back and get your authenticity back.

Jackie Baxter: 44:50

Yeah, that's a really powerful tool. I don't think I realized how much of a yes person I was until I had to start saying no to things because I physically couldn't. But then for me, when I started saying no intentionally not because I couldn't, but because I realized I didn't want to I remember the first time I did that and it was so incredibly liberating. But you know, joking aside, you know we learn boundaries when we're unwell, out of necessity. But you know, I think it's something that we should all have in our lives and it was a pretty harsh way to learn that, but I am better at doing it than I was. I'm not perfect, because I'm still recovering from that too, but, yeah, absolutely. So I feel like we've covered so much today and it's been amazing. Much today and it's been amazing. Do you have any?

Jacob Teitelbaum: 45:54

kind of final words of wisdom that you'd like to leave people with. At the end of the day, the only justification you need to say yes or no to something, or to pay attention to it or not, is how it feels to you. Your brain is a product of programming that everybody else said you should do to make them feel good. Society, schools, religion, parents all use one meaning, but it's not who you are. Your feelings are authentic to who you are. So if something feels good to you, follow that trail. Feel free to say yes to those things see how does it feel?

Jacob Teitelbaum: 46:26

how does it work out? Doing heroin may feel good, but it's not going to work out very well. So you use those two how it feels and how it works out to guide you, not your brain. Once you know the direction you want to go, your brain is brilliant at helping you get there, but again, it has no idea who you are. So you don't want it setting the g GPS of where you're going to go. You want it to tell you how to get there. Once you're feeling such a GPS, the illness helps you learn this.

Jackie Baxter: 46:56

Yeah, yeah, I think that's very wise and I think yeah, I say that to people Does it feel good in your body? If it doesn't't, why are you doing it? Um, you know, but yeah, it can be very difficult to listen to our bodies when they're telling us so many conflict well, seemingly conflicting things, um, and uncomfortable things as well often. So, yeah, absolutely, thank you so much. This has been so enlightening and I feel like I've learned loads as well. I always do so. Thank you so much for giving up your time and for coming back, and I will make sure that all of those links go into the show notes, as well as your book with the fantastic title you Can Heal from Long COVID. So that's a really great message to leave it on, I think. So, thank you.

Jacob Teitelbaum: 47:57

My pleasure, my honor, everybody. It's time for you to get your life back. Doesn't mean going back to what made you sick in the first place. So have fun with this. You can get well.